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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
DEATH'S LEGION
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Posted - 2008.12.02 20:50:00 -
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Yes, things worked out rather good for the vaga.
Tbh being poor it always annoyed me to hell and back how people outperformed my vaga which has the speed bonus in basically any hac just by throwing isk at it and getting snake implants. Can't say I'm unhappy 
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
DEATH'S LEGION
Red Box.
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Posted - 2008.12.03 05:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Solid Prefekt
The Vaga gained the most from speed mods because of the built in bonus so it is logical that any nerf to speed mods will have greatest negative effect. As it stands now you are going a measly 1km/s faster then other cruisers (before it was 3-4km/s faster).
On the other hand, with the bonus it gains more from every speedmod you put in, you get around 3km/s from just 2 lowslot modules, and you dont need more as there is no real risk any other cruiser will come close to that. If there is something fast enough, I'm pretty sure it'll get melted 
Depends on how you look at it, I never really needed that much speed, most of the time you are going without mwd anyway, an easy 1-1.5km/s edge is enough for me.
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
DEATH'S LEGION
Red Box.
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Posted - 2008.12.03 19:03:00 -
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Besides the deimos shoots into the weakest resists, if he has ecm drones (like he should) he'll beat the AB vaga easily in webrange.
Seriously AB might work out in certain scenarios, but dont think it beats anything due to sig advantage, even a thorax could mess it up probably.
MWD is superior since you got so nice range on the guns, why not stay where he cant hit? Keep the deimos at 18km, and grind it down. The worst thing that can happen is you get jammed by drones and he gets away, while with AB you lost a ship.
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
DEATH'S LEGION
Red Box.
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Posted - 2008.12.03 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Solid Prefekt
I am not saying the close range Vaga is bad, but there is NO WAY it is better then the Cookie cutter, one dimensional, every one flew it, 20km orbiting, 6km/s, Vaga from Pre-patch. As I keep saying, the Vaga was NERFED and you have not proved otherwise.
It goes 3km/s now, and can still perform the same old trick just fine. Think of it this way, your topspeed got nerfed quite hard, but this opens much more valuable options as you gain slots.
Quite frankly, 4km/s was absolutely fine for a vaga pre patch, and its overall performance so much better than what you get if you go for max speed...
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
DEATH'S LEGION
Red Box.
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Posted - 2008.12.03 21:05:00 -
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Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 03/12/2008 21:07:56
Originally by: Solid Prefekt
I am not saying the Vaga is not viable at all. It can still kill stuff. But if all else is the same would you rather have the option of 6km/s of speed to play with or just 3km/s of speed. And the handling you feel is not subjective, they increased the agility of HACs by 30% (by reducing the inertia modifier) so your Vaga is more responsive, warps faster, and accelerates faster.
The fastest vaga fit I used did 4.5km/s, the regular one 4km/s and I didnt see any reason to go faster as it didnt really improve anything.
If you enjoyed being really fast I can see the pain, but for me it only matters I got the mobility advantage over the other, and that will be the case more often than before.
I'd trade that 1-1.5km/s again for all the benefits I got.
Edit: then again, when I'm in the Huginn I'd rather have the old one back 
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